Are Taxes Driving People Out of Fair Lawn? [Poll]
Council members discussed Tuesday whether Fair Lawn's taxes were specific to the municipality or a symptom of high taxes across the board in New Jersey.
The combination of a 4 percent tax increase in this year's budget and a town-wide reassessment that pushed select residents' taxes still higher, has caused some taxpayers to question whether they can continue to afford to live in Fair Lawn.
One particularly incensed man who spoke at Tuesday's budget adoption meeting asked the council whether it realized that some Fair Lawn residents can no longer afford to pay their taxes. Complaints from residents who bemoan the fact that high taxes will soon drive them out of town have become commonplace at recent meetings.
Since his council campaign last year, Kurt Peluso, who did not vote to adopt the budget Tuesday, has been a vocal advocate of limiting property taxes so that families in financially tenuous situations can remain in the borough.
“Raising my own family here is very expensive,” said Peluso, 29, prior to his election last year. “My wife and I both work full-time and part-time jobs just to make ends meet, and I know a lot of other families have the same struggles."
When explaining his "no" vote on the budget, Peluso repeatedly has harkened back to his experience campaigning last year and some of the struggling residents he encountered.
"Going through the last election cycle and going door-to-door, I came across many people with "For Sale" signs on their doors," he said Tuesday, before proceeding to tell the story of one individual whom he said had lived in town for 40 years but was forced to move out last year because of taxes.
"He moved to Wall Township where the taxes were cut in half and he was getting a larger house," Peluso said. "He did not want to leave but felt that he was forced out."
Deputy Mayor Ed Trawinski, who supported the budget Tuesday while acknowledging that taxes were high and would likely force him to move after he retired, said it was not Fair Lawn, specifically, but rather New Jersey as a whole that levies greater taxes than surrounding states.
"I've heard people say that they're moving out of town because of the tax increases, and I ask them where they're going to go?" Trawinski said. "Typically they say they're going to go out of New Jersey."
A survey on American migration patterns that full-service moving company United Van Lines has conducted annualy for the past 35 years supports Trawinksi's claim.
Among all 50 states, New Jersey finished first in 2010 and a close second to Illinois last year in its outbound migration, according to the heavily-cited UVL survey.
Trawinski said that while some people are leaving Fair Lawn, he believes just as many are moving into town specifically for its amenities.
"I personally know in the last year of two famiiles that moved to Fair Lawn, knowing what our taxes are, because they wanted to have the advantage of the Fair Lawn school system and Memorial Pool," he said. "As many people are moving out, younger families are moving in because of the school system."
Schools Superintendent Bruce Watson said district enrollment can fluctuate, going in peaks and valleys, but that over the past few years elementary school enrollment in Fair Lawn has been stable, with total school district's enrollment dipping ever so slightly.
Going forward, however, he said he expects to see a wave of growth throughout the system, starting with the elementary levels.
"There are a lot of young families moving in," Watson said. "Last year and this year, we have had an increase in our elementary enrollment."
Part of that, Watson said, is due to a change in the size and type of families moving into Fair Lawn.
"We have a tendency of larger families coming to us from places like the Dominican Republic, Queens and Washington Heights," he said. "They're coming to Fair Lawn because it's an affordable community compared to...many others nearby."
The most recent available census data on municipal migration rates in New Jersey supports the argument that the number of people moving in and moving out of Fair Lawn has remained relatively stable. Between 2005 and 2009, 8.4 percent of residents moved into Fair Lawn and 7.5 percent of residents moved out.
The migratory split compares favorably to other nearby municipalities like Glen Rock and Elmwood Park that saw a much larger split between the percentage of people leaving town and those moving in.
Census data on municipal migration in New Jersey from 2005-2009:
| Moving in | Moving out | Difference | |
| Fair Lawn | 8.4% | 7.5% | +0.9% |
| Glen Rock | 5.2% | 10.3% | -5.1% |
| Ridgewood | 9.1% | 10.2% | -1.1% |
| Paramus | 8.2% | 7.5% | +0.7% |
| Elmwood Park | 7.4% | 11.9% | -4.5% |
| Saddle Brook | 6.4% | 5.1% | +1.3% |
| Teaneck | 10.2% | 9.7% | +0.5% |
Of the people who moved into Fair Lawn from 2005 to 2009:
- 22.7% moved from another state
- 47.9% moved from another county
- 16.2% moved from Bergen county
- 13.2% moved from another country
Of the people who moved out of Fair Lawn frmo 2005 to 2009:
- 28.5% moved to another state
- 53.4% moved to another county
- 18.1% moved to another town in Bergen County
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Go Figure
8:09 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
I think a good follow up to this would be a comparison of the last three years' tax collection stats. If people are not able to pay the taxes this will show in this collection rate. I believe it used to be in the high 90s so I would be curious to see if it has changed.
Go Figure
8:10 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
People seem concerned about part time lawyers, etc... getting pensions from towns, etc... we also need to cut our expenses by eliminating benefits for part time politicians (no matter what party they are from). It's just bad business.
hold on
8:54 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Did trawinski really say he cant afford to retire here! Really with his 150k + salary HE cant afford to retire here. What a joke...That's "poppycock"
Bruce Knuckle
9:03 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Does Ed live in Fair Lawn anymore?...Second story in a week that his answers indicate he doesn't.
Nick
11:07 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
We are to believe he lives in his son's house with his wife and kids. All this while making how much as county administrator? $175,000? Taxes must be really out of control. Forget poppycock that's pure male cow manure.
Have the T-shirt
9:20 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Oh no! Not Tapplits revisited? Lol! Can retire here is a whole different question than being willing to pay for those ever more costly services once one's kids are out of school and one's income becomes fixed. Wait 20 years you young whippersnappers! Using the senior center ain't worth staying in FL if you ask me.
Melvin Brokes
11:42 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Now, shut the pool, sell the rec center, quit putting stupid flags on the poles, and close the library and everything is fixed!
Jenne
12:38 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
2011 figures on the borough website claim that Recreation and Library accounts for only 3.49% of the municipal budget. 4% increase in the municipal budget this year, so cutting all that wouldn't cover it even this year. Good luck finding that mythical buyer for the rec center. Who'd buy it for what's owed on it?
RamG
8:16 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Have Christie pass a fair income tax which includes having the wealthy pay their fair share. The working and retired working people would not have to carry so much of the load of government on their shoulders. In the last thirty years the income for the upper incomes has increased dramatically and their tax rates have dropped greatly.
Chris Antonelli
8:58 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
People leave NJ because the economic climate in states like Texas and others are much better. NJ business have been taxed to death, Union benefits and salaries are out of control and other living standards have decreased with over development and a 1 hour commute to drive 25 miles. Wages have been stagnant in the private sector for the last 4 years, while the cost of living has gone up. Food, taxes, heating and cooling your house and the overall standard of living has dropped. It's not just property taxes, and it's not just Fair Lawn. Actually, if you compare Fair Lawn to the surrounding comparable towns, Fair Lawn is really not that bad when you take everything into consideration.
Jenne
12:44 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Retirees are leaving most states in the Northeast and moving to places like Texas and Florida so they can live basically tax free. They are the 20%+ that pay neither federal income or payroll taxes, and if they play their cards right they can avoid paying state taxes too, and then sit around bitching about local and property taxes where-ever they move to. (Then they wonder why their local services are so poor.)
The standard of living in New Jersey has always been very high, way before the recession. People have been commuting to New Jersey from PA to make good money and have a lower cost of living for 30+ years.
Chris Antonelli
2:28 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Jenne,
That's not entirely true. Most states that don't have income tax, or low income tax have a use tax. There is a tax on just about everything, albeit reasonable. Also, states with very low corporation taxes have weathered this recession very well.
People in Texas don't live tax free. It's a different, yet effective tax structure that most people in the Northeast aren't accustomed to.
Yes, it's a shock to pay 400-600 dollars for your license plate in FL, but you'll find going forward the DMV process is very straightforward and simple, plus it's all handled by the department of revenue so you don't have another division of government to cost money.
People in NJ are brainwashed into thinking that this is the best place on earth.
Ciao
10:16 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Living a block off Broadway and taxes are average between 9000 and 13000, that is just outrageous. The neighboring town, Saddle Brook, is average 6500 - 8200 in taxes. That is a large difference. So SAddle Brook doesn't have a pool, you call Memorial a pool???? plz. Yes, I would consider moving to a different town, preferably down the shore, not to pay these taxes.
Chris Antonelli
12:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Ciao,
Your point is? You're comparing apples to oranges. Look at the comparison between the two towns:
Saddle Brook: Pop - 13,659 and 5,161 housing units. They have roughly 30 Police Officers, one High/Middle school and 4 elementary schools.
Fair Lawn: Pop - 32,457 and 12,266 housing units. We are understaffed at roughly 54? Police officers and one high school, 2 middle schools and 6 elementary schools.
Bruce Knuckle
9:19 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The pool isnt raising taxes, poor management is. If they cut the pool, your taxes will not go down. How much did they go down because of the easy winter? You lose the service, but still pay the higher tax. We are bonded to oblivion in this town.
mom in fair lawn
10:36 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Unfortunately, it just doesn't seem to matter to anyone that the citizens who have lived and supported this town for 20 years or more can't afford to live here anymore.... they are counting on the young couples to pick up the slack of higher taxes.
SK
4:58 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Mom, I was doing my best paying rising taxes for 10 yrs. Average property tax went up over 100% (mine are up 175%). Town don't provide twice more new services and we don't produce twice amount of trash or send twice more kids to school. BOE and Town just used to mismanage funds on big scale. Now town somewhat try to rein on spending, but BOE totally out of touch with reality.
mom in fair lawn
12:01 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Well then, let's ask the burning question: Why are taxes so high in Fair Lawn?
Chris Antonelli
12:51 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Mom in FL,
Salaries and benefits are a huge chunk of the Muni and BOE budget. That's why it's less expensive in other states. Police and teachers make far less, but in turn their living expenses are far less. Take into account that other intangebiles such as insurance and others are far less as well. Our private sector salaries cannot keep up with the pace of government spending and all these salaries and perks at that level. I looked into a move to North Carolina back in 06. My main concern was schools. Through my research I had found that NJ isn't as great as you would think in terms of education. It does rank near the top, but the NJEA would make you think that if you were educated anywhere else you'd go nowhere in life. Keep in mind, the teachers in NC make about half of what they make in NJ. Same with the police. So, are the children or the lives of police officers worth any less outside of NJ? No. But your property taxes are a direct result of those salaries and benefits. You could also throw in some good 'ol NJ gov't corruption as well.
Chris Antonelli
2:33 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Here's how next years budget meetings should go:
Manager: You need to cut costs.
Dept. Head: I don't think I can. I need more money.
Manager: Well, this year we're cutting from the top down if I have to do it, so figure it out. Get back to me in a week.
That works. I've seen it work. You'd be surprised how well it works.
another citizen heard from....
2:59 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Absolutely! The taxes play a major part in many families decision to leave Fair Lawn. In six years my taxes have gone up $4,000 and my house value has gone down. Companies are having to do more with less and their employees have to pay more for medical and fund their own retirements. Why shouldn't municipal workers and BOE employees bear more of burden? Cuts can be made but they will be unpopular and no body wants to be that.....
Tony Dadika
9:39 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Yes taxes have gone up. I'm looking at a tax bill from 1957. It was $301.46. I thought about leaving because of how high the taxes are. Where are you going to go in Bergan county that is less expensive. I like the area it, is convienient to everything and it is safe. I will stay in Fair Lawn, but I will get an RV to winter in Florida. If people want to leave thats ok, we are free to go anywhere we want. The town may have it's problems but it is the town I want to live in. I will stay.