If there is a desire for more revenue from traffic infractions, there are plenty of opportunities. Stop vehicles with defective lighting, driven in the rain without lights, using parking lots to evade traffic signals, etc, etc. I don't know why these minor infractions of the rules aren't used to educate the public, improve road safety AND generate revenue ...

Well in that case Fred I am also a grumpy old man.I could give out 50 tickets a day in Fair Lawn.

@Photoradarscam - I know that a study was conducted, as is required by the NJDOT to ensure the desire for a camera is not simply a money grab, but is indeed for legitimate safety purposes.

If Fair Lawn ultimately receives this camera, the legitimacy of the application will have been vetted by the state.

Doesn't the state get a cut too?

I'm in favor of punishing violators of the traffic laws. Installing cameras is much cheaper than posting a police cruiser and officer there to try and catch the cheats who cause accidents.

You are under the false impression that they are going to fire police officers and employ cameras, never going to happen. The camera owner says the vehicle you own went through a traffic light the city owns a few weeks ago that you can't remember, now pay me $80 or whatever amount...or I will get the government to arrest you. How does this resemble justice or public safety?

Well said, good call, although your spelling should be checked better.

First off, camera do not always improve safety, some drivers actually speed up to make sure they are not in the intersection when the photos are taken. Other drivers stop short at the sight of a yellow light. These two new behaviors make most intersections LESS safe.

You also have misidentification issues, 1 in 4 cars is driven by someone other than the owner, yet the owner gets the ticket and insurance increase. You get the tickets days or weeks after the incident so defense becomes more difficult, ie was there a sign posted, or a cop on scene. etc.

There is no audit and a conflict of interest when third party companies run these systems. You also never get to exercise your 6th amendment right to face your accuser.

These systems also create a lucrative incentive for "photo enforcement" over sound traffic engineering.

well thomas its by far the best solution ive heard... im also curious where/ how you always come up with these random facts such as 1 in 4 cars is driven by someone other than the owner (please provide me with that source). furthermore i wouldnt want to lend my car out to someone who drives through lights.
with your 1 in4 for theory i guess i should just stop paying toll booths and when i get a ticket in the mail ill respond "there was a 25% chance that wasnt me".

marinus- i write quickly when im on short breaks at work- dont have time (nor do i care to) proof read my post when i am on FL patch debating w/ a guy who call himself thomas paine

According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the registered owner is the driver only 72% of the time. Please forgive me for rounding it to 1 in 4. I don't think anyone who lends their vehicle out wants it operated in anything other then a safe legal manner.

There are no insurance implications with not paying a toll, it more akin to a parking ticket or theft of service.

Don't believe the myth that this is about public safety or saving the police to do other jobs. Running a red light is a mistake or judgement error with the possible results of death, bodily injury and property damage, so there is plenty more incentive in self preservation than a possible small financial penalty to do the right thing. What happens here is the city sells the rights to a 3rd party to set up a camera at an intersection. The 3rd party determines that the machine they own says the machine you own went through a machine the city owns improperly and they send you a bill weeks later that you cannot reasonably fight. You pay the bill and they split the commission. Drivers are not fined, vehicle owners are fined. You can be sitting on your couch watching reruns of The Flying Nun, having nothing to do with running a red light and be fined. This is simply a business opportunity offered by politicians to a select group of people to make a lot of money under the guise of public safety. This is not a free enterprise, go to the next council meeting and say you will take pictures of vehicles around town violating traffic laws for a lesser commission and see the response you get, lol!

well thomas im a responsible driver and i dont lend my car out to careless drivers. i am also sick and tired of people commiting traffic violations, making the road dangerous for everyone else and getting away with it. maybe if some of these careless drivers recieved multiple tickets they will finally take a hint. therefore i support these cameras

still dont get your point most interesting- if i recieve a letter in the mail that says the car i own ran a red light on 4/18/12 at 3:15pm,. as the vehicles owner i will know if i was driving at that time or if i let a friend or family member borrow it at that time.
is there some kind of underground car swap where people rotate driving eachothers cars that i dont know about?
most interesting- is there times where people are driving your around without you knowing? because that is the only way i can see this being an issue.
furthermore what is your solution to get people to drive safer on our dangerous intersections?

Good call, whether there is a camera on the light post or not has nothing to do with public safety. Mommy being distracted by baby going through a traffic light will never be prevented by a camera. However making the intersection engineered more user friendly with turning lights, timing of lights, speed, more alternative routes, etc. actually does something to solve the problem. Are we looking to solve a problem and lives or just have 3rd parties make commissions? I have lent my car to others, so? I am personally responsible for how I drive and they are resposible for the way they do, however the law has been changed to accommodate these money making operations at the cost of easy billing over justice.

Emergency responders are supposed to obey all traffic laws regardless of how pretty their blue lights are.