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Council Tabs Former Walsh Pool Area for Skate Park

Council agreed Tuesday to proceed with relocating the borough's modular skate park to the Walsh Pool area on Harristown Road by the Dobrow Sports Complex.

 

With only a few weeks remaining for the borough to formalize the relocation of its modular skate park or risk losing county open space grant funding for the project, council has selected the former Walsh Pool as the skate park's new destination.

"We, as a council, made a commitment that we would do this," Deputy Mayor Ed Trawinski said Tuesday. "And I think it’s something that we need to try here, do our best to enforce our rules and regulations and give it a shot. I can’t think of a better location in Fair Lawn -- if we’re going to put it anywhere -- that we could put it."

Last June, the borough opened the Warren Point Annex Skate Park at a converted tennis court on 30th Street and Pellack Drive, but the set up lasted less than a month before being disassembled as a result of resident complaints.

Trawinski said the new proposed location -- on Harristown Road adjacent to the Dobrow Sports Complex -- should be more palatable to residents.

"There’s no residents affected by this," he said. "It’s proximate to the Dobrow Complex, but the Dobrow Complex is first and foremost a recreation complex."

Deputy Mayor John Cosgrove, the only council member who opposed the relocation, said he had spoken to residents and organizations that used the Dobrow Complex regularly and found strong opposition to the skate park.

"If you had a skate park that was somewhere for 30 days and they pulled it out and they want to build it in your neighborhood, what would you think?" Cosgrove said. "People say, 'You’re giving us the problem that you had on the other side of town and you’re moving it to our side of town.'"

While Cosgrove said he applauded the concept and would love to see kids have a place to skateboard legally in Fair Lawn, he didn't believe there was any location in town where residents would accept a skate park.

Trawinski responded that he felt obligated to honor the commitment the previous council had made to provide resident skateboarders a spot of their own.

"What do you tell those kids? Where are they supposed to go?" asked Trawinski, referring to the children who, after being chased out of the CVS parking lot by police, had approached council looking for a legal place to skate. "We bend over backwards through an organized sports program to provide activities for all kinds of organized sports, but we don’t do it for kids like that who ask for it. And they’re entitled to as much ability to use borough and borough facilities as those who participate in organized sports."

The borough, which already has spent $35,000 on the park and its equipment -- pieces of which are currently in storage -- is prepared to spend an additional $25,000 to fill Walsh Pool, surface the new skate park and enclose it with fencing.

Borough manager Tom Metzler said he was cautiously optimistic that the $15,000 filling costs could be mitigated if the borough can obtain certified clean fill from another construction project, bringing the total relocation price tag to about $10,000.

Once the project is completed -- Metzler estimated it would be another year before the skate park is ready for use -- the borough will receive a $35,000 reimbursement from the county.

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Randi Kestin

12:52 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

I'm really going to miss Walsh Pool. Why doesn't it open anymore as a pool? Also, I'm not sure that is the best place for a Skate Park - right near the highway. It's kind of dangerous for kids to get too. We do already have a Skate Park at Memorial Park.

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Notfooledanymore

1:27 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Mr. Stu, this is just the beginning tab for this bill. Let's be real here, how much is this really going to cost the taxpayer after trawatski and friends are gone?

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hypo's

2:39 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

mr pace i remember you suggested they convert it into an ada park- if they spent more on that would you be questioning the spending or be ok with it because it is a service you support? personally i liked both ideas and would like to see them do both.

notfooled- you are clrealy misinformed and out of touch with since you seem to believe skateboarders are a bunch of punk druggies

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Tommy P

9:13 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Come on Stewie, you know the how the new math works, spend $25k to get $35k, then spend tens of thousands to support the $25k. Then blame the other party for mismanagement while increasing taxes 4.5%

RadburnBpark

1:17 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

I think this is a great idea and only wish it had been done 15 years ago when i could have used it instead of being chased out of every parking lot in town. It is just as much a sport as baseball, football, hockey and soccer and deserves a place in town and right next to the complex is a great spot. As for passing the problem from one side of town to the other the big difference is there are no houses across the street that will be bothered by noise so i am not sure what people are complaining about. The complex already creates noise that no complains about so not sure why this would be a problem.

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Notfooledanymore

1:23 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Now that this new park is away from the residents, will the new park bring drug dealing, stabbings, rapes, muggings, thefts, damage, underage drinking, and all the other goodies when a park is out of sight, out of mind? Tell me nobody here doesn't believe this is not going to happen?

Notfooledanymore

1:18 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Wonderful, We already have enough work for the cops with all the burglaries, now this "skate park we owe to the residents" is going to create more work for the police, fire, parks and recreation services which are severely depleted! How about owing the residents public safety and cutting the b.s.!

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Jenne

7:26 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

We already have cops hanging out there for traffic stops, etc. Because it's at the Maple ave exit for 208, it's hardly out of sight! In fact, it's more visible than many other parts. And there's a fire company right across the street. Parks and recreation is there to maintain the Fair Lawn Sports outsourced fields (though not the other areas, sigh).

Do all of you have any evidence that skaters are somehow all these criminals that you people accuse them of being/attracting??

FLResident

2:24 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Terrible decision...don't fill in Walsh Pool! More careless spending. Mr Metzler, mayor, & council STOP the thoughtless spending of tax dollars!!!

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LENNY

2:42 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

fill in a pool you could open for little cost and spend money like $250,00.00 or more needed so much on everyday boro operations on a pool in a major flood zone. example today our first storm of the season dumped 6 to 8 inches of rain in NC. if that was to hit here can we say flood and the passic river again in our town pool. all that money down the drain.

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Jenne

7:31 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Have you looked at Walsh Pool lately? It would need work to be re-opened, including dredging-- and if we left it one more year it would probably turn into a protected wetland! Much as I'd like to see Walsh reopened as a pool (and the Skate park go to Memorial, in some of the extra parking lot, but frankly that's not going to happen, as the skaters don't have a Sports Association to demand funding on their behalf),

Right now the Dobrow facilities are only opened when Fair Lawn Sports ask for them, otherwise forget it. And the few times I've gone in, they've been gross.

hypo's

2:43 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

"Cosgrove- said he had spoken to residents and organizations that used the Dobrow Complex regularly and found strong opposition to the skate park."
So let me get this straight the people who use Dobrow to play baseball, softball, soccer, etc have a problem providing kids with a place to skate while thier kids enjoy the fields our tax money maintains. that sounds like a pretty poor reason mr cosgrove.

'You’re giving us the problem that you had on the other side of town and you’re moving it to our side of town.'"
the problem was the old park was right next to houses- there are no houses next to Dobrow.
can you please explain to me how a Public Park can be considered "our side of town" by people who frequently use it?

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Marty Cone

3:45 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

I think it is great. I was worried they were going to put it near my home. Its better on the low income side of town anyway.

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Chris Antonelli

3:50 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

This is a clear cut example of what is wrong with NJ Municipal government and NJ Schools. Gotta please everyone and give everyone what they want. And skating is not a sport just because they show it on ESPN. When was the last time you heard of a skateboard scholarship?

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The Reagan-ator

4:16 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

@ chris-
do you have any children chris? if so if they arent athletically gifted enough to earn a scholarship should we not allow them to participate in our all sport programs?
i mean by your scholarship justification we should just eliminate all the all sport programs and just have a few select programs for the kids who are athletic enough to have a chance of earning an athletic scholarship.

i see you were a suporter of memorial being re opened. compared to reopening the pool the skatepark will cost us pennies. how come your ok with one expensive entertainment service and not a MUCH cheaper? im assuming its because YOU like to swim but not skate

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Jenne

7:43 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

So, if some alumni provides a scholarship for skateboarders at an institution of higher ed, that makes it a sport and thus worthy of support? And if higher ed stops offering scholarships for most sports, as they may do in this crisis of higher ed, they stop being sports? that's silly.
Something doesn't have to be a competitive sport to have facilities in the park, or otherwise we'd have to find someone who offered scholarships for jogging, walking and playing on playground equipment.

Tommy P

9:09 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Wait until the EPA or DEP figure out there is a capped spring there. What a rediculous waste of money. We should just use the parking lot at borough hall. It's already paved and the police are right there if need be.

Instead of filling the pool they should auction off a long term lease first.

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A.Tourney

11:12 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

The first compound fracture that results in a lawsuit will close it down ....

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Stuart Pace

12:27 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

@hypo- this is spending 35K to not lose the 35K grant. its now a 75k skate park because the prior council made awful decisions. this is not the year to double the error. I think an ADA park would be perfect there.....just not this year. And I would keep Walsh and close memorial.

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Stuart Pace

12:28 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

wow bad math at 12 30 at night. nice going Pace.

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Michael Agosta

2:59 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

The tax assessment decreased my house value 8% and my taxes are increasing 4%.
2013 cannot come fast enough.

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Bruce Knuckle

7:12 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

I think 3 big tops would fit there nicely. The council can then have their meeting their alongside the skateboarding "athletes"

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Warren G

10:00 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

If the kids would follow the rules and be respectful to the property, then I would not have a problem with it. But you had kids leaving trash laying around, they would invite their friends from other towns, and they didn't care how they left the area. Bad idea. Just another area for kids to try and sneak into after hours and cause problems.

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Jenne

11:18 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

The joggers, the jogger mommies, and the Fair Lawn Sports associates who frequent the park already leave trash lying around-- it's no coincidence in my mind that all the bottles I pick up and put in recycling when we visit are for water and gatorade.

As for complaining about Fair Lawn kids who "invite friends from other towns" what a great example of what's wrong with Bergen County. My family moved here from another state where it's ok to use a playground not in your tax district, but after being approached at 2 different playgrounds by people bitching about non-town-residents using the parks, half my family won't even stop at a park or playground in North Jersey before checking to see that it's within our 'resident' boundaries. Literally, we had a discussion about whether it was OK to visit the playgrounds listed in a recent issue of NJ Parents!

Just Facts

12:33 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Let the kids play... and right next to a park... This is an awesome idea.... Kids get chased from all over - and this out of the way - I say open the snack bar and sell snacks - generate money and feed those kids who burn energy - that is a great park and that pool needs a face lift anyway - try something new....Hurrayyy a nice idea.....right now it looks like a swamp from Vietnam...I say we have the former Mayor Y check for alligators first...

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Jenne

11:20 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Yeah, and it would be LESS not more creepy if more people used it. Why would I feel safer when the only people in the park are me, my toddler and some male jogger?

Sheila vanderweit

5:39 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

So Marty! We are the low income side of town. That's pretty good since we all pay high taxes in this town. Whatever side your live onust be the shitty side of town. Just because you live there. This town is all the low income side. You may think you know what goes on in the low income side but you have no idea what we make a year. I think you should watch what you say about us low income people. You can take your comment and shove it where the sun don't shine!

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Marty Cone

7:06 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Shiela, Truth stings a little doesn't it. You can be assured, that this council put it there for the same reason they closed Walsh Pool. Its the seedy side of town and no one will complain. You are not in Radburn so don't expect the same treatment. Think it over while you sit in your converted summer bungalo.

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8:39 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Marty must live on the rude and self-important side of town.

As for filling in Walsh, has anyone bothered to check if it is deed-restricted. The land was gifted to the town for building the original pool, pre-dating Memorial. Besides being a former wetland, spending a bunch of money to move a park that was such a nuisance that the neighbors demanded it be moved to a remoter location is just plain dumb politics playing appeasement. In a year, they'll be p*ssing away more money to move it elsewhere after someone from outside of town discovers it and vandalizes it in the remote location. Put it in one of the parking lots at Memorial and be done with it.

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Marty Cone

7:07 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Yep, thats my side, from what I read coming from you, they should put it in your big mouth.

Had Enough

1:56 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Deed restricted, wetland, yup more lawsuits, I guess this time the Republican lawyers get paid, and they send us the bill.

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Emil DeLuccia

9:08 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

marty cone how dare you!!! i live in the columbia heights section of town or as you call it the low income section. my neighbors are hard working families who have more class than you'll ever know. it appears to me you show your ignorance every time you make a comment.

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Go Figure

11:10 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Just a couple of comments: (1) I think we need to give the kids a chance to show us that they can keep the area clean, safe and fun. I hope they learned their lesson from the last park. (2) Attacking the "republican" lawyers is not fair when you look at the bleeding that took place by "other" lawyers over the past 10 years. Do your research and look at the numbers, it's astounding. OPRA -- then make your partisan comments.

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Jenne

11:27 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

We've got people coming to council meetings to complain about the possibilities of teenagers using a park 6-8 blocks from their home being "SCARY" to them because they have young kids. These people live on a street where kids are literally playing sports (and skateboarding) in the street instead of walking/biking down to the park. It's clearly not about noise or trash, it's about people's beliefs about 'skaters' and 'outsiders.'

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Deleted because of harassment

10:21 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012

Marty, there's a proverb about better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. You just removed all doubts anyone had about you. There's more than a little bit of what you are all about in every single one of your posts - and it's not about your community, but your ego and your self-interest. You remind me of someone that buys a BMW SUV because of the way they believe it makes them look to everyone else who can't park it straight or navigate a corner without driving up the curb. The opinion you generate is not the one you hoped for.

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Deleted because of harassment

10:26 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012

And, if there is any location that would be more suitable for an enclosed, cement, year-round pool than the current Walsh location...so yeah, let's spend money filling it in. That's Fair Lawn political logic at it's finest.

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I.Can.Park

10:54 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012

Wow! Deleted, youre panties are in a bunch and while you are entitled to answer ole coney WHY pick on us Beemer owners?
Kinda hypocritical dontcha think!?!

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BellairBerdan

12:04 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012

Hope Marty never leaves town that way he can feel superior, because once he goes to Glen Rock, Franklin Lakes, Allendale, Ridgewood, etc etc etc he is Freddy Fair Lawn just like everyone else here

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Marty Cone

7:10 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012

@BB, I wont accept what these councils are doing. They moved it there based on the same reasoning. Drive through marvelous "Columbia Heights" or should I say North Paterson, not too picturesque. Not looking to leave Fair Lawn, just pointing out that the skate park is better on the outskirts of Fair Lawn because the low income folks seem to tolerate these things or just have to accept them because they do not have a choice. @Deleted, nice rambling , next time have a point other than the one on the top of your head,

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Deleted because of harassment

11:59 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012

I don't wear panties because I grew a third arm from living on the 'low income" side of town, where they build housing on hazardous waste sites. As for picking on Beemers - go to any parking lot and you can find the people I am refering to, the one's with that friendly and neighborly Marty (or is it Adolpho) attitude who buy things they can't drive because, well, they can, and comment about things while insulting other because, well, that's what passes for conversation in their "classy" minds. Marty - the real one - probably lives in a converted garage in his parent's yard, stealing his internet access off his neighbor's open router somewhere in one of those states where he was allowed to drop out of school in ninth grade.

Now, what were the adults talking about?

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Joe Kos

5:01 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Hopefully the staue of limitations has passed. But look at these "criminals" trespassing and using the old skate park without helmets. Dont we have enough law suits on our hands?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFaZRozLlok&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Stuart Pace

5:51 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

perfect place to burn Reggie Ridgewood this year

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Cynthia Smythe

7:52 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Bonfires are so last century, the new thing is to burn down the whole playground.

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