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Over 100 NJ Scout Leaders On Organization's Banned List

Scores of files kept secret for decades by the Boy Scouts of America to document suspected molesters within the organization are starting to leak out.

Portions of a confidential Boy Scouts of America list kept for decades by the organization to document suspected molesters within their ranks were released earlier this week. Another batch of confidential "Ineligible Volunteer Files," some overlapping with the first set, is expected to be released Thursday on the order of the Oregon Supreme Court.

Known colloquially to Boy Scouts executives as the "Perversion Files," the list contains names and allegations against thousands of Scout leaders who were suspected of sexually abusing young scouts and dismissed from their jobs within the organization, including more than 100 in New Jersey.

National Boy Scouts spokesman Deron Smith told NJ.com that the list, intended to keep suspected molesters out of Scouting, had been largely successful, citing 175 instances in which blacklisted volunteers who later tried to rejoin the Scouting ranks, sometimes in different parts of the country, were rejected.

According to a review of the list by the Los Angeles Times, however, many blacklisted members were not barred from having further contact with Scouts, and in many cases, alleged molestations were concealed by the organization.

In one local case, reported by NJ.com, a former scout leader in Glen Rock named John Deneke was blacklisted after being accused of and pleading guilty to two counts of aggravated criminal sexual contact for fondling two Scouts on a camping trip.

Deneke, who expressed remorse in an interview with NJ.com, told the paper that following the accusations the Boy Scouts simply told him to go find another troop.

The recent glimpse into the Scouts' confidential list has been made possible by the efforts of Seattle-based attorney Timothy Kosnoff, who has sued the Boy Scouts on behalf of more than 100 alleged abuse victims and gained access to the records as court evidence.

Last week, he published on his website the names of nearly 1,900 men blacklisted by the Boy Scouts between 1970 and 1991, many of whom were never reported to police or prosecuted.

Kosnoff also has released an additional 3,200 case summaries detailing suspected abuse within the Boy Scouts' ranks between 1947 and January 2005, excluding the names of alleged perpetrators. The Los Angeles Times has created a searchable online database with all of the alleged abuse information supplied by Kosnoff, totaling about 5,000 records.

On Thursday afternoon, another 1,200 files from between 1965 and 1985, are set to be released by Oregon Supreme Court order that should shed further light on the long history of alleged abuse within the Boy Scouts of America.

Even with much of the data now public, alleged abusers who have not already been prosecuted will not likely be held accountable. Chief Assistant Passaic County Prosecutor Joseph Del Russo told NorthJersey.com that it's unlikely any of the details released will be legally permissible in prosecuting old abuse cases or allowing victims to sue their alleged abusers.

Hookerman October 20, 2012 at 08:19 PM
In a word.... BULL!!! 1) Paterno was amongst the group of officials who specifically chose not to report Sandusky; http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2012-07-12/Sandusky-Freeh-report-Paterno/56182030/1 2) Paterno lied to a grand jury over what he knew about Sandusky: Question to Paterno: "Other than the [2001] incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?" Paterno: "I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it. You did mention -- I think you said something about a rumor. It may have been discussed in my presence, something else about somebody. I don't know. I don't remember, and I could not honestly say I heard a rumor." http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8160430/college-football-joe-paterno-enabled-jerry-sandusky-lying-remaining-silent Paterno waited to report Sandusky because he didn't want to ruin anyone's weekend! Paterno wanted to make sure Sandusky was treated "humanely"! Sandusky was the rapist of children, and Paterno was worried about how he would be treated??? Yes, Paterno was one of many in the Penn State hierarchy who failed, and failed miserably... but a scapegoat??? My arse!!!
stacie bohr October 20, 2012 at 08:49 PM
@Slobo....I WANT to do a lot of things as a parent but sometimes I CAN'T. Why is that such a foreign concept to you and Scondo? That is not shrugging responsibility...it is REALITY!
Nicole Faulkner October 20, 2012 at 09:22 PM
I can tell you that my husband, who has volunteered as a coach several times, has NEVER regarded his role as that of a 'babysitter'. Instead, when he or I volunteer in the capacity of a coach, CCD instructor or any other that involves having other children in our care, we take the RESPONSIBILITY very seriously. We are there to instruct these children & ANY worthwhile adult in that role recognizes that yes, when the parents of these children leave for the duration of a practice or class, etc, our FIRST responsibility is to PROTECT & ensure the SAFETY of those children. It's quite simple. Any "volunteer coach" who perceives his role any differently or who takes exception to that fact, ought not volunteer!
James Trynosky October 22, 2012 at 03:31 PM
In reviewing the Deneke files I don't believe for one second that anyone in any official capacity with the BSA told him to "go find another troop", this case was dealt with swiftly from the troop committee, to the Pastor at St. Catharine's, the local authorities, the local Ridgewood-Glen-Rock Scout Executives and National Leadership. If it was ever said, it must have been a comment to get him to stop creeping around the troop. The man is obsessed with Troop 27 in Glen Rock. The only failure I see was the doctor treating him recommending that he be permitted back to scouting because he was 90% cured. The BSA and Monsignor Holmes to their credit said no way. To me its a text book case of the organization doing the right thing every step of the way, even during a time when these matters did not get the same attention and treatment they do today.
James Trynosky October 22, 2012 at 03:31 PM
Deneke was reported to the police.
psumba October 22, 2012 at 03:41 PM
Hookerman, #1 - Do us a favor and give us NEWS, not a McPaper & ESPN OPINION pieces. You can say anything in an opinion piece and are not bound by the need for those pesky facts! Freeh's folks didn't interview Paterno. Anything that they have reported about Paterno amounts to hearsay, at best ... which is why this is labeled as an opinion rather than the truth. #2 - Paterno was aware that "the pedophile" was investigated while a member of Paterno's staff. The District Attorney made the decision that there was not enough evidence to prosecute. While our legal system considers people in this situation to be innocent, Paterno soon fired "the pedophile" ... and spent a grand total of 5 minutes at his "retirement party". Paterno had no control over the deal that was cut by the athletic director (Curley) and approved by the president (Spanier) that gave "the pedophile" access to the facilities. Does this make Paterno guilty? I don't think so. I've fired individuals often and didn't give them the real reason for their firing. I DO think that Paterno did the same. Does this make him a bad man? I don't think so. We often have to act without conclusive evidence. When Paterno had the chance, he did act. In 2001, he wasn't the witness ... and pointed the witness to the head of the police force (Schultz). What happened after that was out of Paterno's control!
Steve R October 22, 2012 at 03:43 PM
This is a true story that happened here in Ridgewood in about 1975. I’ll leave out most of the details – you’ll get the idea. I moved on from Cub Scouts to a Webelos troop that was lead by 2 fathers – I’ll call them “Mr. H” and “Mr. M”. After a few months, Mr H quit co-leading, and his son Tim left too. Tim ominously warned me that I should drop out of the troop, but wouldn’t elaborate. I stayed a few more months, attending only occasionally, until I discovered what Tim was referring to. Mr. M had slowly pushed out all boys except those who he saw as easy prey – children of divorced parents, who were living with their mothers. One night at Mr. M’s house, I made the horrifying discovery that he was sexually molesting most of the boys in the troop. The next day, I went to a neighbor’s house, who was a police officer. I trusted this man, and looked up to him as a role model. I told him what I knew and suspected… and he didn’t believe me. He called me a liar, and I left feeling disillusioned. In retrospect, I should have talked to someone else, but I doubted anyone would believe me.
Steve R October 22, 2012 at 03:44 PM
(continued) A few months passed, and my neighbor confronted me and told me that he knew I was telling the truth. Mr M’s son went to the police, and the whole sordid truth came out. If only my neighbor had listened to me, the abuse would have been cut short by a few months, and one or two fewer kids would have been victimized. That is about all I know of what happened afterwards. I never read anything in the newspapers about it. Mr. M’s name is not on this list of perverts, although I have a feeling Mr. H reported Mr. M to the scout council. I can only hope that Mr. M was incarcerated, but I’m not even sure of that. Of all the victims of Mr. M, I only know what happened to 2 of them. Darryl became a heroin addict, and I heard he died in the 90’s. I ran into another kid, who was such a hopeless drunk that I’d bet he is no longer alive, either. I can only pray that the others survived and found inner peace. Today, I am the parent of 9 year old twin girls. If either tells me directly or indirectly of anything that sounds like abuse, not only will I listen, but I’ll make sure appropriate actions are taken immediately.
psumba October 22, 2012 at 03:55 PM
I've seen this type of abuse FIRST HAND. I wouldn't defend Paterno if I felt that he could have done anything more to prevent it. The bottom line is that he did all that he could. If you were so concerned about the abused children, why aren't you demanding the investigation of the Second Mile foundation and its wealthy pedophile backers? The isolated incidents with the Boy Scouts is nothing to what happened at Second Mile! Second Mile was a "feeding ground" for wealthy, well-connected pedophiles in PA. PA Governor Corbett was the guy behind making Paterno the scapegoat. Corbett was the Attorney General who only assigned one investigator to the case ... causing it to be delayed until he was elected. Someone SHOULD be doing a cross match of prominent donors to both Corbett and Second Mile. That would be interesting reading. Corbett chose Paterno because he didn't want people to "follow the money" in the scandal! While I think that the guilty should fry, I want to protect the innocent ... and keep justice from trampling the innocent bystanders. I see Paterno as one of those innocent bystanders!
lesson October 22, 2012 at 04:06 PM
i am a volunteer soccer coach for special needs children. some parents stay but some go run errands while practice is gonig on. i in absolutely no way think the parents are taking advantage of me or using me as a babysitter when they leave. i understand it is challenging raising children ecspecially special needs children. part of the reason i enjoy volunteering is helping out the parents, during our two hour practice they can go food shopping, the bank, other errands that is more difficult with a couple kids, hell even if they just want an hour to relax and read a book i have no problem with that. it is what i signed up for and i kind of take it as a compliment that they feel safe leaving their kids with myself and other coaches.
Journey October 22, 2012 at 04:59 PM
I was a Girl Scout when I was child. Some times my mother was troop leader, some times she was not. It was absolutely normal for parents to leave their kids at the meetings. It would have been chaos if they all stayed. To many chiefs and not enough Indians if you get what I am saying. What about sleep away camp? What about preparing our children to go out in the world and take care of themselves, we will not live forever. I prefer to gradually got the apron strings, rather than one day saying to her, "Here you are 18, all grown up, not drive yourself to work." When I started babysitting I took a class at the hospital with my best friend. After class we went outside to get picked up (yes my mom dropped us off). There was man out that that set off our spider sense and we went back into the building. We had enough experience to do that. We had that experience because our moms let us walk to school without adults hovering over us. When I was 10 it was my responsibility to get up, eat breakfast, pack a lunch and get to the pool by 7:00 am every day for swim team practice. I then spent the rest of the day at the pool not coming home until dinner or bad weaner. When I was in college a aquintaince tried to go to far with me. He was rewarded with a knee between the legs and never bothered me again. All because my parents raised me to take care of myself without being terrified of the world. Don't we want self sufficient, confident, resourceful children?
Journey October 22, 2012 at 05:12 PM
Everyone here that thinks we should not drop our kids off at scouting meetings and soccer practice. At what age do you think it is ok to finally cut the umbilical cord? How young is too young to go to the library with mom and dad in tow? At what age will you let your kid start to grow up? I was 14 the first time I went on an international camping trip. I few by myself from Philly, changed planes in Chicago, and Toronto and came home 2 weeks latter. it was great.
Scondo October 22, 2012 at 05:12 PM
Unfortunately Steve , yours is fairly typical of the reactions gotten. In 1998, a report was made to the civil authorities regarding a molestation case of Jerry Sandusky, the civil authorities did nothing to prosecute , Sandusky was allowed to negotiate his retirement in 1999. His retirement package included access to the practice fields and allowed him use of an office at Penn State. it was negotiated by the higher officials of Penn State and his attorneys through Second Mile. In 2008 there was a report dealing with Sandusky and molestation, it was made to the civil authorities who deemed it unprovable, telling the victim, now known as Victim #1 that they needed corroboration, it was not until 2012 that they prosecuted.
Scondo October 22, 2012 at 05:27 PM
#1 Who thinks that ? #2 5 minutes, never to young to go to the library with mom or dad, from birth on, you can't stop them from growing up so don't even try. #3 That is nice.
Hookerman October 22, 2012 at 05:37 PM
First of all, it’s always amusing when one poster criticizes another’s sources when he has provided ZERO sources himself. For example, what source tells you that Paterno ever fired Sandusky? Sandusky retired as defensive coordinator from Penn State in 1998, but was given a special emeritus position that still allowed him full access to the college’s recreational facilities. Secondly, emails show that Paterno was involved in the decisions not to report Sandusky after the 2001 incident. This is counter to his claim that he was not involved in the incident at all after he initially reported it to his superiors. Paterno’s position as head coach in the university was very powerful, so he was hardly an “innocent bystander”. Lastly, how is Paterno the scapegoat when everyone involved up to the president of the university was fired from their position, and two of the people have charges filed against them? No one has said that Paterno is guilty of a crime, but he certainly doesn’t escape the list of those culpable in this travesty.
Nolan October 22, 2012 at 05:52 PM
Hookerman: DADT has been a success because the brass told everyone there would be no problem even if there was/is.
Nicole Faulkner October 22, 2012 at 05:54 PM
Wait - was it a different 'Scondo' who previously stated: "Parents need to be cognizant of the idea that they to need to be aware that they should not just drop off children and leave. We had a pediatrician who used to tell us never ever leave your child alone with anyone..." And: "My own feeling is that you ought not to be dropping off and leaving your children when they are prepubscent, but that is just me. Also there is a nother reason, why should I saddle a volunteer coach , etc with being my baby sitter." That pretty clearly answers #1.
Steve R October 22, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Journey - I don't think that "everyone here that thinks we should not drop our kids off at scouting meetings and soccer practice.” I assume that you are not a parent, right? Ultimately, the responsibility of our childrens safety falls on us, the parents. First, we must do our best to teach our children not to put themselves into situations that may be dangerous. And if they find themselves in such a situation, they must know how to get out of it. This is one reason my girls study Tae Kwon Do. They must know what is appropriate contact and conduct, and what is not. They must always feel that they can come to us whenever there is a problem, and that we'll do everything we can to protect them. And they must understand that if something bad happens to them, it is not their fault, and we still love them unconditionally. Having said that, there is a reasonable expectation of security that we place in those who oversee our children in our absence. Be it a teacher, scoutmaster, coach, or whatever, we expect their governing bodies (school, scout council, etc…) to do their part in ensuring that measures have been taken to protect the kids. “Two Deep” leadership, background checks, and other “common sense” safeguards are all good practices. But as a parent, I retain “veto power” to override anything that I feel endangers my kids.
Steve R October 22, 2012 at 06:04 PM
(continued) To “cut the cord” implies that we just let them loose to fend for themselves. This is not how it works. As a parent, I slowly give my kids more freedom as they show the responsibility of being able to handle it. As they mature, and know how to deal with situations, they will receive less supervision. But no matter how old they get, I will always worry, just like my parents still worry about me. It comes with the territory…
Scondo October 22, 2012 at 07:43 PM
Hey Nicole do you just drop off your children and leave? Or do you take the time to walk in and see who is there, or do you walk up and check to see if there is more than one person there or not. I would be willing to bet that you don't just drive up, fling the door open and tell your child : "see you later". No one should be doing that.
Nicole Faulkner October 22, 2012 at 08:03 PM
No, Scondo, I do not "just drop off my children and leave". How is that question a response to what I posted?? Your previous posts did not condemn parents who "just drive up, fling the door open and tell your child : "see you later". Your previous posts judged & condemned parents for what you perceive as "trying to engage others in taking part of that by becoming your de facto child care provided is selfish. Volunteer child activity leaders and coaches are not your unpaid baby sitters..." because according to you, parents "ought not to be dropping off and leaving your children when they are prepubscent". If your intention was to distinguish between parents who 'dump' their children without any due diligence or responsibility in taking all REASONABLE precautions to be sure their child is being left in capable hands in a SAFE environment, then perhaps you should have clarified that in the first place.
Scondo October 22, 2012 at 08:17 PM
Nicole, learn to read what was written and not what you think was written. My language was clear and precise and I stand by it. That you wanted to pick a fight is not my issue, it is yours, as I sense you are insecure in your parenting style. I get that sense because you needed to ask how many children I have, inasmuchas saying that having more children allows a parent to slack off in the responsibility area. What I wrote is as follows:"Parents need to be cognizant of the idea that they to need to be aware that they should not just drop off children and leave. We had a pediatrician who used to tell us never ever leave your child alone with anyone, for he would see cases of sexual abuse that parents would try and keep quiet because they involved Grandpa, Uncle Frank" So let me get this straight: You think parents should just drop off their children and leave. I think they ought to make sure everything is ok, verify pick up times and schedules. But too many of them leave that to chance and selfishly leave the child care to the activity director, be it leader or coach.
Nicole Faulkner October 22, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Scondo, how does directly quoting your posts translate into what I "think was written"?? It doesn't. No more than engaging in a debate & calling you (or anyone) out on ignorant, judging comments is picking "a fight". You're awfully quick to identify for the rest of us our "issues", and yet, I've yet to see someone respond to you in kind. Apart from being completely inaccurate, your "sense" that I am "insecure in my parenting style" is based in nothing. I am far from being a perfect parent, however, my parenting style is something about which I have great conviction. Enough conviction and maturity to not be so presumptuous as to dictate to others what they "should" and "should not" do. I asked you a simple question. At what point did I state or even infer that "having more children allows a parent to slack off in the responsibility area"?? If you want to be taken seriously, don't add insult to injury by defending ignorant comments with 'stuff' you just make up. You have no idea why I may have asked you how many children you have. Making up a reason in your own head, being defensive about it & continuing to attack me only really highlights your insecurity. And again, please refer me to the post in which I ever stated to "think parents should just drop off their children and leave".
Scondo October 22, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Well do you you disagree with me when I say "that they should not just drop off children and leave" ? Read what was written, I never stated that you said that, What I said was : "So let me get this straight: You think parents should just drop off their children and leave" You need to read what was written, not what you think was written. So I take it that you do not disagree with my first proffer and you disagree with my second. Which means you are firmly in my camp that says parent ought not just drop off their children and leave. They should check to see who is present, if the meeting or event will take place as scheduled and secure that the child will not be left alone with only one other person. This isn't rocket science.
Sir October 22, 2012 at 08:51 PM
We have become a soft nation - everyone worried about every little thing.
Nicole Faulkner October 22, 2012 at 09:06 PM
Ummm...I did in fact read what was written...at least twice now, considering you repeated the same exact statement. If it was meant to be a question, then proper punctuation would be the only way to communicate such. Do you even realize that you completely gloss over your previous posts?? You're qualifying those statements now, which is fine, if you would simply drop the self-righteous attitude and acknowledge that.
stacie bohr October 23, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Where do you live that you wouldn't know who you are dropping your children off to?? I can look at a field and identify every coach. I also have all of their cell numbers as they do mine. What kind of bubble do you live in?
Scondo October 23, 2012 at 11:05 AM
@Stacie, it is always a good policy to provided your babysitter with a number where you can be reached.
stacie bohr October 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Now you'rejust being silly Scondo. Of course my babysitter has my number. My oldest is 15. She's very smart and knows my number by heart!! You're funny!
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